Archive for August, 2010

Written by hhb in the Happy Bachelors Forum http://happybachelor.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=best&action=display&thread=5012

Bachelors are single precisely because they know what woman is, will be, and has been. A married man is clearly someone who did not know what was going on. People also make the assumption that being married is better than single – there is much to sell to woman in our materialist Anglosphere – so the merchants that be can’t say single is better, lest their sales of useless items go south permanently, thus our merchant culture of matrimony. Marriage has always been an obligation to man, but at least he got a hefty dowry from the woman in the past to compensate him for his troubles.

We all know in the Anglosphere that for men and women the majority of marriages end in divorce. Add the divorced to the never married and the majority are single, and stay that way.

Not-married is the norm for most people today.

Moreover, it is safe to say a relationship that leads to marriage is not a measure of success for a man, although society would have you think otherwise, but then again matriarchal wage slaves are needed to keep it running.

In our present reality, marriage, most of the time, is the first step towards divorce. It has a lousy track record. Statistically, most divorced people marry again (and divorce again.) The majority of first marriages end in divorce. The majority of second marriages end in divorce. The majority of third marriages end in divorce, etc. It seems folks like marriage, but they don’t like who they marry. In other words, if your car was as reliable as marriage, every time you got in it you’d have a better than one in two chance of crashing.

Thus, following reason, one should marry someone you don’t like and make someone miserable who deserves it. As the comedian said, he was going to buy a house and give it away to a woman he hates and skip the entire marriage/divorce part.

That is a fact of life today.

Anyway we cut it, marriage is a failure as it is now employed, which implies the married man is a failure – right out of the gate.

Furthermore, we all know of the study by the marriage counsel of Princeton University reporting that the marriage rate has never been lower. For such a “great” institution, marriage has a lousy track record that is only getting worse – record high divorces and record low proposal rates.

Wishing is wanting it to be better. Reason tells us it is in jeopardy as a social institution.

Single men far and wide are some of the happiest people in the world. They are successful in their endeavors of choice and their accomplishments of them, while the married man is still dreaming of his – which he knows he will never attain – slaves are accustom to dreaming, freemen are accustom to living their dreams out.


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The New Red Pill

Written by superbad in HBF. Image of the Red Pill included and must see and click to enlarge the image.

The New Red Pill
this is version one. my target audience is young men. it is in GIF form to keep the message intact. if you find anything problematic please leave your suggestions. i’d appreciate input from our MGTOW gurus. i realize this is a large pill to swallow :) but if a 5 minute read saves one young man, it will be worth it.


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Written by future303 for the most part as a reply to another thread in HBF. Link removed as it will be stated. It’s a clear interpretation of  1 Corinthians 7

Coming from a Christian (me).

This is what the Bible says on the matter: (for the sake of brevity, I will write it in point form. You can read the entire chapter here: link removed )

1 Corinthians 7

– It is good for a man not to marry (we ALL know this)
– Because of immorality each man should have his wife, and vice versa
– NEITHER of them should deny each other (So if you’re horny and your wife isn’t, she is bound to sleep with you out of contract. If the reverse happens, you are bound to sleep with her)
– The Apostle Paul says all of this as good advice, not as strict commands. He wishes all were like him, with no sex drive.
– However if you can’t go without sex, better to marry than to burn (Keeping in mind that women did not have the power to destroy a man the same as today)
– If you don’t marry, you did good. If you do marry, you haven’t sinned, but you can expect to run into troubles in life.
– If you are single you can devote your free time to God or whatever you wish. If you are married, you’ll spend most of your time figuring out how to please your wife.
– If you must divorce, do so, but DON’T REMARRY
– If you are a widow, Paul recommends you stay that way.

Read the chapter guys, it’s ALL THERE!!

Apostle Paul was the prototype for MGTOW

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Written by edred30 in HBF

Once on this site, everyone was writing about one of their first insights into the nature of women.

Yesterday, I was thinking about a trip I took 15 years ago when I was still married. We went to New Jersey to visit the ex’s grandmother, who at the time was in her late 80’s. One morning she started reminiscing about all of her late husbands. She’d had 5 husbands, all of whom she outlived (or worked to death).

I remember being struck by how she described them. One by one, she would recall his name, the number of years married, whether or not he was a good provider, and how long it took for Grim to show up and punch his ticket. It went something like this: Bob was my last husband. He took good care of me and always fixed things around the house as soon as they broke. You know, all five of my husbands were very good husbands.

At the time, although still a slave of the system, I noticed that the names of the husbands could have been replaced with lawn tractor models: Yes, the John Deere L-11 was my third mower. It always cranked and was very useful. I had no trouble with it. Then one day while using it, it blew a head gasket and I had get another one.

The moral of the experience…women don’t care about any unique qualities you might have. They don’t care about what makes you different. They don’t care about your dreams. They don’t care about your inner peace or contentment. They don’t care about who you are or your core qualites. They want to know what YOU can do for THEM and their children. Oh, and be sure to purchase an adequate life insurance policy. After you die of exhaustion, she expects to maintain the lifestyle to which she’s accustomed.

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Famous quotes about women

  • “It is a law of nature that women should be held under the dominance of man.” – Confucius (ca. 500 BC
  • “Woman is a violent and uncontrolled animal, and it is useless to let go the reins and then expect her not to kick over the traces. You must keep her on a tight rein . . . Women want total freedom or rather – to call things by their names – total licence. If you allow them to achieve complete equality with men, do you think they will be easier to live with? Not at all. Once they have achieved equality, they will be your masters . . .” – Cato the Elder 234–149 B.C., quoted in Livy’s History of Rome
  • “To be completely woman you need a Master, and in him, a compass for your life. You need a man you can look up to and respect. If you dethrone him, it is no wonder that you are discontented, and discontented women are not loved for long.” ~Marlene Dietrich
  • “Goreans, in their simplistic fashion, often contend, categorically, that man is naturally free and woman is naturally slave.” ~Hunters of Gor
  • “Women dream not of equals,” she said, “but of Masters.” ~Fighting Slave of Gor,
  • “We want a Man at whose feet we feel it is appropriate that we should kneel, as women, and slaves. We do not want an equal; that is not enough for us; we want more than that; we want a Master. We want Him to be strong, ambitious, aggressive, possessive, jealous, lustful, dangerous, dominant. We want Him to guard us, and protect us, and own us, with masculine ferocity, to see us as His rightful properties.” ~Witness of Gor
  • “Women, by nature, want to be dominated.” ~Jayne Mansfield
  • “I want to live darkly and richly in my femaleness. I want a man lying over me, always over me. His will, his pleasure, his desire, his life, his work, his sexuality the touchstone, the command, my pivot. I don’t mind working, holding my ground intellectually, artistically; but as a woman, oh, God, as a woman I want to be dominated. I don’t mind being told to stand on my own feet, not to cling, to do all that I am capable of doing, but I am going to be pursued, fucked, possessed by the will of a male at his time, his bidding.” ~Anais Nin
  • “A proper wife should be as obedient as a slave.” ~ Aristotle (384-322 BC)
  • “The male is by nature superior and the female inferior; one rules and the other is ruled.” ~ Aristotle: The Politics, Book I
  • “Men’s courage is shown in commanding and women’s in obeying.” ~ Aristotle: The Politics, Book I
  • “Fortune is like a woman; if you wish to master her, you must conquer her by force. Moreover, she is more willing to be conquered by forceful men of ability than by timid cowards.” ~ Niccolo Machiavelli (1469-1527): The Prince
  • “Woman in her greatest perfection was made to serve and obey man, not rule and command him.” ~ John Knox (1505-1572)
  • “The husband hath by law power and dominion over his wife, and may keep her by force, within the bounds of duty, and may beat her, but not in a violent or cruel manner.” ~ Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1626): Maxims of the law
  • “Love well, whip well.” ~ Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790): Poor Richard
  • “Nature intended women to be our slaves. . . They are our property, we are not theirs . . . They belong to us, just as a tree which bears fruit belongs to the gardener.” ~ Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
  • “Woman is by nature meant to obey.” ~ Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
  • “You go to a woman? Do not forget your whip.” ~ Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900): Thus Spoke Zarathustra, XVIII: Old and young women
  • “Thy husband is thy lord, thy life, thy keeper, Thy head, thy sovereign; one that cares for thee, And for thy maintenance commits his body To painful labour both by sea and land, To watch the night in storms, the day in cold, Whilst thou liest warm at home, secure and safe; And craves no other tribute at thy hands But love, fair looks and true obedience; Too little payment for so great a debt. Such duty as the subject owes the prince Even such a woman oweth to her husband; And when she is froward, peevish, sullen, sour, And not obedient to his honest will, What is she but a foul contending rebel And graceless traitor to her loving lord? I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace; Or seek for rule, supremacy and sway, When they are bound to serve, love and obey. Why are our bodies soft and weak and smooth, Unapt to toil and trouble in the world, But that our soft conditions and our hearts Should well agree with our external parts? Then vail your stomachs, for it is no boot, And place your hands below your husband’s foot: In token of which duty, if he please, My hand is ready; may it do him ease.” -Shakespeare, Taming of the Shrew
  • “I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naïve or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman.” ~Anaïs Nin
  • “The true man wants two things: danger and play. For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything.” ~Nietzsche

Posted in the Happy Bachelors Forum (HBF) by elric.

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Written by toddturner in HBF. MGTOW means Men Going Their Own Way.

We often reflect that MGTOW delivers benefits in monetary terms. I have recently reflected upon another benefit: the second childhood.

I am now 42 and I went through puberty around 30 years ago. When I was 11 or 12, my life was a series of fun hobbies: backyard baseball, building model airplanes, fishing, coin and stamp collecting, etc. Basically nerdy stuff from a female perspective.

Then puberty hit, and I completely reordered my life in the pursuit of women. Whether consciously or unconsciously, all my major decisions were impacted by the question: “Is this going to make me more or less attractive to women?” The specifics aren’t important, but I engaged in numerous behaviors and activities that I didn’t enjoy—simply because they increased my chances of getting laid and winning female approval.

This continued through my twenties, with the attendant stress and wasted time. Women even dominated my leisure activity choices, as they do for many men. To cite one specific example: How many guys really enjoy going out to nightclubs? But most of us have been there because that is where the women are. Women enjoy those vacuous environments because there they can be the center of attention.

I gradually drifted into an MGTOW lifestyle from age 30 forward, after having some relationships with women and coping with their constantly evolving needs and desires. As I’ve shared on here before, my sex drive isn’t exhausted yet, and I do make occasional use of escort services (who are generally cheaper and nicer than their non-commercial counterparts). However, I haven’t been on a “date” since 2001. I don’t go out of my way to offend women, but nor do I worry about impressing them anymore.

What I have discovered is that the long dormant and suppressed 12-year-old is coming out again. By this I don’t mean childish behavior; but the simple enthusiasm for hobbies and interests that are only possible *before* you start to notice women.

I have also rediscovered male friendships–another facet of life before puberty. I’m not talking about anything queer here, but simply the fact that male friendships are often neglected when men hit puberty and the pursuit of women becomes the priority.

I actually have less stress in my life at 42 than I did at 25 or 30. By contrast, my married friends are constantly stressed and financially strapped. In addition, few of them enjoy sex very much with their middle-aged spouses.

Obviously, I wish I could have connected these dots thirty years ago. But better late than never, I suppose.

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The Story of Mike

Posted by Outcastsuperstar in HBF but was posted originally in MarkyMark’s blog who is also a great member of HBF. Mirrored this story here.

Source: ht tp://markymarksthoughts.blogspot.com/2010/07/story-of-mike.html


I’m writing this to tell you of an old friend of mine, a man I greatly respected and the tale of his life. What makes this man special is the that by all accounts his life, his married life, working life, and family life, was a "success" by the standards laid down by modern society. I’ll call him Michael (not is real name) and he was a true blue worker, very intelligent, and raised to provide by two parents who stayed together and raised their son with strict Baptist values. He wasn’t all that handsome but invested his younger years diligently, pursuing an engineering degree at Duke University back when grade inflation didn’t exist (early 1960’s). The girls he dated, well, he didn’t date much as he was a nerd and being the 60’s the girls with the new freedom used that freedom to ride the cock train of football players and players in general. The new age of sexual emancipation left Mike at the station. Years after college Mike met a girl who had gotten her fill of the bad boys, and they started dating. True she was no virgin while Mike was, she’d had several relationships and relations before but she recognized the value of Mike in that he had a new job with an up and coming career track – computers! Misinterpretation of his prior religious teaching ordered him to forgive this girl’s past and instead focus only on the future. It was his duty after all. He married her and worked, hard. His father worked for the railroad and the company had taken care of him so Mike knew that this was the way to a good life. Work hard, and the company would reward and take care of you. Then the 1970’s hit with the Carter recession and all that loyalty and hard work amounted to nothing. Still he tried again, found another job (that forced him to move frequently) and this one wanted even more hours than the prior job. I remember him saying "It’s Friday do you know what that means? It’s only two more working days until Monday!" and off he’d go. Everyday. For 43 years. He had two children, a boy then a girl, and worked while his wife stayed at home. Later on after the children were out of high school Mikes wife dabbled a little here and there and worked part time occasionally for a convenience store. The extra money was nice but not enough so she pecked Mike continuously to make extra money. It was never enough. "Go tell your boss you need more! You should show him your value! A real man would provide for his children!" and on it went. Mike was getting older now, and had always had diabetes, a life long condition he had to treat with regular insulin injections. The shots were painful but he needed them to think straight. Of course there was the time he was laid off in 1980 with no insurance and the daughter needed braces. A real man knows when to put others first after all. And of course when the mother in law needed a new roof, and he really had promised his wife that new washing machine, and oh she needed to go see her mother for Christmas as well and airfare was so expensive. So the medicine(s) waited, more than once.

His children were boomerang types, his daughter slutted it up with a guy and moved in with him but later on came back home until she was able to snag a younger version of Mike. His son dropped out of college a few times and then came home to be a bum for 2 years after deciding that work was too nerve wracking. Mike would never throw his children out so they stayed for several more years. Several more. Finally when his son hit 28 he found a slut with a child from another guy and got her pregnant. The girl wanted a lavish wedding but his son was only working at a book store and couldn’t afford it – no big wedding so it seemed. Mike’s wife knew better of course, and argued with him for months about paying for the big day. She’d gotten a lavish wedding (thank you Mike) and didn’t Mike know how important a wedding is to his future daughter? Yes this was his vacation money, yes after so many years of hard work he was finally going to get to go do something he always wanted (to see the Northern lights in Alaska). Yes he was going to finally get that Harley Davidson and ride up there after 35 years of no vacations at all. BUT This was going to be his daughter according to his wife and his kids HAD to come first…. So the girl got her wedding. Then his real daughter needed help with a house. Her new husband turned out not to be a copy of Mike after all but a thug with a criminal record who had just lost his job. Why did his daughter lie about this guy to Mike? Her wedding was very expensive too. Oh well it was too late now and his daughter did need a place to live and she just found out she was pregnant! He didn’t have the money but his wife researched it and 2nd mortgages were so easy to get back then. True, his house after so many years of work was almost paid off but his grandchild needed a real home and there was no way his new son in law could afford it and Mike was told he could now work up to 10 hours more overtime if he wanted. 60 hours wasn’t too much of a sacrifice and he’d at least get a leg up on that promotion, maybe.

Another decade passed and after scrimping and saving and even more hard work the mortgages were paid off. In a rare perfect storm both children (now well into there 30’s with kids of their own) didn’t need something. The mother in law didn’t need a new appliance, or home repair, or another new car being long past her driving years. Yes, now, this was the time. Mike now 64, proudly strode into the Harley dealership and filled out a custom order sheet. In 8 weeks a shiny new Harley would arrive and he would get to ride it. He would finally take a vacation, his first real vacation since college. Sure his wife and kids had gone on many many vacations over the years but he always had stayed behind – to work. Something always came up. One time it was that there just wasn’t money or neighbors to take care of – of all things – the dogs! 3 Lassa’s that Mike never wanted yipping and shitting all over the place. Ugh… still at least his wife would get a vacation – she deserved it after all didn’t she? There was even that one time (he hoped it was just the one time) where he found out his wife had hooked up with an old boyfriend when she said she was going to visit her mother. He forgave her of course a divorce would have devastated his kids (he knew they were his – or at least he hoped) and of course he’d have lost everything with the divorce laws – besides wasn’t he a Christian? Shouldn’t he just forgive and forget? What does his pride or even himself matter? He had never cheated on her or even been with another woman – not even once – but that was normal and he knew that she appreciated that didn’t she?

The last big push before new years came at work and Mike was tired. His wife as always spent Christmas and new years with her mother – and he knew this time she really was with her mother – she was too old to cheat on him now wasn’t she? When she got back he would be free of dog sitting and he would take his new Harley on the road for the first time. Shiny and red, he hadn’t even ridden it yet. He read the owner’s manual 100 times and knew everything about it, he couldn’t wait and it was all he talked about at work! It was brand new and kept in the garage but he stripped the engine and cleaned and oiled everything just to make sure! It was polished, waxed, and hospital clean. All was ready. His first ride on his HIS!! brand new Harley to see the Northern lights. It was the culmination of his life’s work and now it was really going to happen. Mike was so excited.

On December 29th his daughter called and left an angry message on the tape machine. She wanted to visit but the snow was blocking the drive-way and she had her daughter and no snow shovel! Why the f**k hadn’t Mike shoveled the driveway? He knew she was coming to visit that lazy good for nothing piece of crap. NOTE: the words she used were in reality more caustic than this – I have lightened them considerably.

On January 3rd his son came to visit and found his father cold and lifeless surrounded by a ring of dog shit. He’d had a massive stroke, likely from the diabetes, and the paramedics said they thought that he didn’t suffer for long – but it was hard to tell. When Mike’s wife returned later on she immediately made plans to sell the house. She raged that Mike hadn’t left her enough life insurance and no instructions on what to do – what a irresponsible man what the hell was he thinking? He should have provided better for her especially since he knew she was too old to work! She was 62!!! Insurance was so expensive for someone in his condition but if he hadn’t squandered *their* money on that stupid bike he could have afforded it. Her old boyfriend George was so much more successful – oh how she regretted not marrying him! The bike was listed on Ebay that week. "Never ridden Harley – brand new! $17,000 or best offer".

By every PC measure Mike’s life was a success. He worked his whole life for someone else and doubtless made millions for his bosses over the course of his career. He took care of 3 people and two grandchildren that would have been on the dole if not for his efforts, and paid punitive taxes to take care of many more along the way. He never collected a dime of social security or unemployment even when he was laid off – he was just too proud to file. He never took Medicare and he made lots of profit for 2 large banks, 2 colleges, and never once thought of himself. He died cold and alone, surrounded by shit, never once having done anything for himself. His epitaph was a bike on Ebay – his life’s dream – sold to a dealer for $15,500 – the best offer his widow could get several years ago. She took a cruise with the money. America thanks you Mike. You were a real success, and moreover a blueprint for what we expect a modern man to be. R.I.P.

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